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Re:Why Real Madrid will flop miserably this year..
« Reply #224 on: August 18, 2006, 11:39:50 AM »
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I will be the first one to acknowledge the glorious culture, history and achievements of Real Madrid in the European Soccer.. Just i wanted to clear a couple of points and iam sure most of u will agree with me if u carefully manipulate on my points..Yea, agreed that Real Madrid r one of the giants in the European soccer, but then for the last few years, they have achieved very less in Europe and also in their own Liga..Well, if u gleam through the history of Real Madrid, all their major successes have come during the Franco regime which coincided with the presence of many luminiaries in their teams with Destefano and Puskas heading the list..They did maintain that record for quite some time but then, it seems they have fallen flat in the last 4 years..The reasons for this is definately not the lack of talent in the team but i think it is rather because Real Madrid has become rather market oriented now a days..Ironically, after they won the Champions in 2002-2003( remember they had won the previous edition too), they shockingly dropped the author of their success Vicente Del Bosque and their rock, yea the skipper who selflessly served them for 12 years, Fernando Heirro..
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it was shocking to be polite and in the same season, they brought in David Beckham( obviously for marketing reasons and after all it is a well known fact that the incumbent has a great fanfollowing in the crowded asian countries more for his marketing strategies..) Also, they got players like Graveson who would never fit in the scheme of things and in the way Real has always been known to play their soccer..The result was all there to see..Well, they have not seemed to learn from their mistakes and it was a shock to see them sign players like Emerson (no disrespect to him, but then he is similar to Graveson in his style) and Cannavaro( 33)who is probably at the prime of his career.. They surely lack the players of the calibre of Redondo( a wonderfully gifted midfielder who could run circles aroung opposite players)or Kaka or maybe Ronaldino..These players r the playmakers who can alter the match with a single moment of magic and yea, another big mistake was to let go Makelele who was a magnificient defensive midfielder..And with the retirement of Zidane, the place he has vacated is very tough to fill and with all main stars hovering around or above 30( Ronaldo, Rudd, beckham,Emerson, Canna,Guti,Helguera, Raul...), i dont see them giving Barca a run for their money in the domestic league or in the CL , i dont see them advancing further than quarters against the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, ACMILAN, Lyon, PSV,Arsenal, Bayern..
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It will be tough for Real this year. Addition of Cannavaro was crucial, but I think that key to possible success is Capello. He is a proven coach who has been succesfull wherever he went.
I still do not think that Real have the necessary depth, team spirit and mental strength to beat Barca in the long run of championship games.
Real need a true leader as a captain and a warrior in the midfield. Raul was a genius, probably the best Spaniard to have ever played. But he has disappeared recently, and I think it is mainly because Real have lost their game and concentrated on getting stars rather than building an United team.
I agree with the Anti-Real and I think that it all started when Makelele left. His importance is clearly demonstrated at Chelsea even at the age of 34!!! Real's defense is probably worse than that of Villareal or Osasuna. Roberto Carlos is a good player, but bad at defending. He needs to have two reliable centre backs to cover him. Michel Salgado is getting old, Helguera and Pavon should play in Segunda Division, and Sergio Ramos is not a CD.
And most impotrantly, ZIZOU is impossible to replace. My guess is Real will be in the top three at the end of the season and make it to the 1/4 of CL. But no more
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You guys have obviously not been following Real Madrid for the last 5-6 years.
Real's problems began with the lost of Vicente Del Bosque. Even though Flortenino Perez had Marketing ambitions for the team, Vicente always focused on having a solid well balanced team.
When Perez got rid of Vicente, things began going astray. Florentino's focus was bringing money to the club and ensuring that the club was on sound financial footing. This came at the expense of a solid well balance team.
Florentino bought big named players which brought financial gains. Cheers for him for accomplishing that, but the team suffered for it (No titles in last 3 seasons)
But guys do i need to wake you all up ?!?!
Florentino Perez is no longer the President of Real Madrid. Ramon Calderon is now the President of the club, and he does not need to focus of buiding a financial empire because Perez aready did that job. As he said, he wants the team to win titles now and has entrusted Capello to get that done.
Haven't you guys noticed a change in Real's buying polices this year. Unlike previous years, the first buys the club made were for a good coach, a great defender and a reliable defensive midfielder. All this before they bought a striker in Ruud. Rumour has it that Real are trying to buy Lyon's defensive midfielder Diarra as well.
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Re:Why Real Madrid will flop miserably this year..
« Reply #225 on: August 18, 2006, 08:48:38 PM »
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I will be the first one to acknowledge the glorious culture, history and achievements of Real Madrid in the European Soccer.. Just i wanted to clear a couple of points and iam sure most of u will agree with me if u carefully manipulate on my points..Yea, agreed that Real Madrid r one of the giants in the European soccer, but then for the last few years, they have achieved very less in Europe and also in their own Liga..Well, if u gleam through the history of Real Madrid, all their major successes have come during the Franco regime which coincided with the presence of many luminiaries in their teams with Destefano and Puskas heading the list..They did maintain that record for quite some time but then, it seems they have fallen flat in the last 4 years..The reasons for this is definately not the lack of talent in the team but i think it is rather because Real Madrid has become rather market oriented now a days..Ironically, after they won the Champions in 2002-2003( remember they had won the previous edition too), they shockingly dropped the author of their success Vicente Del Bosque and their rock, yea the skipper who selflessly served them for 12 years, Fernando Heirro..
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it was shocking to be polite and in the same season, they brought in David Beckham( obviously for marketing reasons and after all it is a well known fact that the incumbent has a great fanfollowing in the crowded asian countries more for his marketing strategies..) Also, they got players like Graveson who would never fit in the scheme of things and in the way Real has always been known to play their soccer..The result was all there to see..Well, they have not seemed to learn from their mistakes and it was a shock to see them sign players like Emerson (no disrespect to him, but then he is similar to Graveson in his style) and Cannavaro( 33)who is probably at the prime of his career.. They surely lack the players of the calibre of Redondo( a wonderfully gifted midfielder who could run circles aroung opposite players)or Kaka or maybe Ronaldino..These players r the playmakers who can alter the match with a single moment of magic and yea, another big mistake was to let go Makelele who was a magnificient defensive midfielder..And with the retirement of Zidane, the place he has vacated is very tough to fill and with all main stars hovering around or above 30( Ronaldo, Rudd, beckham,Emerson, Canna,Guti,Helguera, Raul...), i dont see them giving Barca a run for their money in the domestic league or in the CL , i dont see them advancing further than quarters against the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, ACMILAN, Lyon, PSV,Arsenal, Bayern..
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Time will tell. I don't know about your Barca. They are getting their butts handed to them right now by America. America is a good Mexican club but no world beater. The game ended 4-4. Barca scored three times in the last 10 minutes.
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its a friendly, dont mean crap.
if its a 4-4 tie when they play in the World Club Championships, i'll think otherwise.
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Re:Reyes transfer to Real in danger
« Reply #226 on: August 18, 2006, 08:51:51 PM »
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If he really made these comments then he is definately an idiot. I remember about a week ago i was attacked vehemently by some fans that felt i was unfairly attacking Reyes. If these boy leaves, what he would have done to Arsenal will be worst than what Anelka did and i will be sitting here watching when he joins the sinking ship called Madrid and sinks with them. I remember how players like Anelka, petit, Viera and recently Bapista have tried to re-engineer moves back to Arsenal after dissing them, i hope you fans out there dont forget what this kid has done to Arsenal and start asking Arsenal to re-sign him because he already knows ur system.
If Arsenal lost to Dynamo in that game that this stupid boy choose to sit on the bench, ur season would have been over and ya'll would have had ur creditors breathing down ur neck. He was ur record signing but doesnt deserve to put on an Arsenal jersey.
I hope the players left can rally around and form a strong bond that will enable them win this season.
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As days go by it becomes more and more obvious that he Engineered this move from day one. Maybe all the stories we have been reading are not completely true but this boy made up his mind to use the oportunity of real Madrid having a new president to engineer a move. I believe even Wenger had doubts initially about the story but the fact that Wenger had to keep him on the bench for that game shows something happened that made Wenger realize that this kid wasnt going along with the program any longer.
The statement that it will be bad for Arsenal sounds like a treat.
I dont think Real Madrid had him as priority but he actually drew attention to himself and Real madrid are using him to cover up for the fact that none of the players they promised to sign are willing to go.
I guess the fact that he never lived up to his full potential is the reason why Wenger is willing to let him go even though he dont normally like dealing with Madrid.
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Re:Why Real Madrid will flop miserably this year..
« Reply #227 on: August 19, 2006, 05:16:08 AM »
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I will be the first one to acknowledge the glorious culture, history and achievements of Real Madrid in the European Soccer.. Just i wanted to clear a couple of points and iam sure most of u will agree with me if u carefully manipulate on my points..Yea, agreed that Real Madrid r one of the giants in the European soccer, but then for the last few years, they have achieved very less in Europe and also in their own Liga..Well, if u gleam through the history of Real Madrid, all their major successes have come during the Franco regime which coincided with the presence of many luminiaries in their teams with Destefano and Puskas heading the list..They did maintain that record for quite some time but then, it seems they have fallen flat in the last 4 years..The reasons for this is definately not the lack of talent in the team but i think it is rather because Real Madrid has become rather market oriented now a days..Ironically, after they won the Champions in 2002-2003( remember they had won the previous edition too), they shockingly dropped the author of their success Vicente Del Bosque and their rock, yea the skipper who selflessly served them for 12 years, Fernando Heirro..
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it was shocking to be polite and in the same season, they brought in David Beckham( obviously for marketing reasons and after all it is a well known fact that the incumbent has a great fanfollowing in the crowded asian countries more for his marketing strategies..) Also, they got players like Graveson who would never fit in the scheme of things and in the way Real has always been known to play their soccer..The result was all there to see..Well, they have not seemed to learn from their mistakes and it was a shock to see them sign players like Emerson (no disrespect to him, but then he is similar to Graveson in his style) and Cannavaro( 33)who is probably at the prime of his career.. They surely lack the players of the calibre of Redondo( a wonderfully gifted midfielder who could run circles aroung opposite players)or Kaka or maybe Ronaldino..These players r the playmakers who can alter the match with a single moment of magic and yea, another big mistake was to let go Makelele who was a magnificient defensive midfielder..And with the retirement of Zidane, the place he has vacated is very tough to fill and with all main stars hovering around or above 30( Ronaldo, Rudd, beckham,Emerson, Canna,Guti,Helguera, Raul...), i dont see them giving Barca a run for their money in the domestic league or in the CL , i dont see them advancing further than quarters against the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, ACMILAN, Lyon, PSV,Arsenal, Bayern..
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It will be tough for Real this year. Addition of Cannavaro was crucial, but I think that key to possible success is Capello. He is a proven coach who has been succesfull wherever he went.
I still do not think that Real have the necessary depth, team spirit and mental strength to beat Barca in the long run of championship games.
Real need a true leader as a captain and a warrior in the midfield. Raul was a genius, probably the best Spaniard to have ever played. But he has disappeared recently, and I think it is mainly because Real have lost their game and concentrated on getting stars rather than building an United team.
I agree with the Anti-Real and I think that it all started when Makelele left. His importance is clearly demonstrated at Chelsea even at the age of 34!!! Real's defense is probably worse than that of Villareal or Osasuna. Roberto Carlos is a good player, but bad at defending. He needs to have two reliable centre backs to cover him. Michel Salgado is getting old, Helguera and Pavon should play in Segunda Division, and Sergio Ramos is not a CD.
And most impotrantly, ZIZOU is impossible to replace. My guess is Real will be in the top three at the end of the season and make it to the 1/4 of CL. But no more
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You guys have obviously not been following Real Madrid for the last 5-6 years.
Real's problems began with the lost of Vicente Del Bosque. Even though Flortenino Perez had Marketing ambitions for the team, Vicente always focused on having a solid well balanced team.
When Perez got rid of Vicente, things began going astray. Florentino's focus was bringing money to the club and ensuring that the club was on sound financial footing. This came at the expense of a solid well balance team.
Florentino bought big named players which brought financial gains. Cheers for him for accomplishing that, but the team suffered for it (No titles in last 3 seasons)
But guys do i need to wake you all up ?!?!
Florentino Perez is no longer the President of Real Madrid. Ramon Calderon is now the President of the club, and he does not need to focus of buiding a financial empire because Perez aready did that job. As he said, he wants the team to win titles now and has entrusted Capello to get that done.
Haven't you guys noticed a change in Real's buying polices this year. Unlike previous years, the first buys the club made were for a good coach, a great defender and a reliable defensive midfielder. All this before they bought a striker in Ruud. Rumour has it that Real are trying to buy Lyon's defensive midfielder Diarra as well.
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Real Madrid is a joke now a days with all overaged, over the hill players..
they will fail miserably this year which will lead the whole team being dismantled..i say, Capello will not even last a year in this pathetic money oriented club..Capello is smart and he will make his money and get off from this dirty floppingteam..
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Re:Reyes transfer to Real in danger
« Reply #228 on: August 19, 2006, 05:17:52 AM »
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If he really made these comments then he is definately an idiot. I remember about a week ago i was attacked vehemently by some fans that felt i was unfairly attacking Reyes. If these boy leaves, what he would have done to Arsenal will be worst than what Anelka did and i will be sitting here watching when he joins the sinking ship called Madrid and sinks with them. I remember how players like Anelka, petit, Viera and recently Bapista have tried to re-engineer moves back to Arsenal after dissing them, i hope you fans out there dont forget what this kid has done to Arsenal and start asking Arsenal to re-sign him because he already knows ur system.
If Arsenal lost to Dynamo in that game that this stupid boy choose to sit on the bench, ur season would have been over and ya'll would have had ur creditors breathing down ur neck. He was ur record signing but doesnt deserve to put on an Arsenal jersey.
I hope the players left can rally around and form a strong bond that will enable them win this season.
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As days go by it becomes more and more obvious that he Engineered this move from day one. Maybe all the stories we have been reading are not completely true but this boy made up his mind to use the oportunity of real Madrid having a new president to engineer a move. I believe even Wenger had doubts initially about the story but the fact that Wenger had to keep him on the bench for that game shows something happened that made Wenger realize that this kid wasnt going along with the program any longer.
The statement that it will be bad for Arsenal sounds like a treat.
I dont think Real Madrid had him as priority but he actually drew attention to himself and Real madrid are using him to cover up for the fact that none of the players they promised to sign are willing to go.
I guess the fact that he never lived up to his full potential is the reason why Wenger is willing to let him go even though he dont normally like dealing with Madrid.
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i have been reading a lot of stuff from the tabliods about this Reyes nonsense from day one and i believed most of them even though i dont normally believe things i read about Arsenal from the tabloids.
There was just something about his denial in Arsenal website that didnt seem honest. the moment Fabregas dispeled the Madrid nonsense we all knew it was over and his agent had to come around and cover his own back. Reyes on the other hand kept on making comments that just seemed to be coming out of a robot, there was no reality in those his statements.
Lets hope to get all this transfers over as soon as possible before the end of this week.
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Re:Why Real Madrid will flop miserably this year..
« Reply #229 on: August 19, 2006, 05:44:26 AM »
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It will be tough for Real this year. Addition of Cannavaro was crucial, but I think that key to possible success is Capello. He is a proven coach who has been succesfull wherever he went.
I still do not think that Real have the necessary depth, team spirit and mental strength to beat Barca in the long run of championship games.
Real need a true leader as a captain and a warrior in the midfield. Raul was a genius, probably the best Spaniard to have ever played. But he has disappeared recently, and I think it is mainly because Real have lost their game and concentrated on getting stars rather than building an United team.
I agree with the Anti-Real and I think that it all started when Makelele left. His importance is clearly demonstrated at Chelsea even at the age of 34!!! Real's defense is probably worse than that of Villareal or Osasuna. Roberto Carlos is a good player, but bad at defending. He needs to have two reliable centre backs to cover him. Michel Salgado is getting old, Helguera and Pavon should play in Segunda Division, and Sergio Ramos is not a CD.
And most impotrantly, ZIZOU is impossible to replace. My guess is Real will be in the top three at the end of the season and make it to the 1/4 of CL. But no more
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real has too many good strikers.
capello should trade raul or ronaldo, maybe both and pick up a good midfielder, like kaka or totti.
buying expensive strikers isn't always the answer.
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Re:Reyes transfer to Real in danger
« Reply #230 on: August 19, 2006, 05:46:05 AM »
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If he really made these comments then he is definately an idiot. I remember about a week ago i was attacked vehemently by some fans that felt i was unfairly attacking Reyes. If these boy leaves, what he would have done to Arsenal will be worst than what Anelka did and i will be sitting here watching when he joins the sinking ship called Madrid and sinks with them. I remember how players like Anelka, petit, Viera and recently Bapista have tried to re-engineer moves back to Arsenal after dissing them, i hope you fans out there dont forget what this kid has done to Arsenal and start asking Arsenal to re-sign him because he already knows ur system.
If Arsenal lost to Dynamo in that game that this stupid boy choose to sit on the bench, ur season would have been over and ya'll would have had ur creditors breathing down ur neck. He was ur record signing but doesnt deserve to put on an Arsenal jersey.
I hope the players left can rally around and form a strong bond that will enable them win this season.
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As days go by it becomes more and more obvious that he Engineered this move from day one. Maybe all the stories we have been reading are not completely true but this boy made up his mind to use the oportunity of real Madrid having a new president to engineer a move. I believe even Wenger had doubts initially about the story but the fact that Wenger had to keep him on the bench for that game shows something happened that made Wenger realize that this kid wasnt going along with the program any longer.
The statement that it will be bad for Arsenal sounds like a treat.
I dont think Real Madrid had him as priority but he actually drew attention to himself and Real madrid are using him to cover up for the fact that none of the players they promised to sign are willing to go.
I guess the fact that he never lived up to his full potential is the reason why Wenger is willing to let him go even though he dont normally like dealing with Madrid.
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i have been reading a lot of stuff from the tabliods about this Reyes nonsense from day one and i believed most of them even though i dont normally believe things i read about Arsenal from the tabloids.
There was just something about his denial in Arsenal website that didnt seem honest. the moment Fabregas dispeled the Madrid nonsense we all knew it was over and his agent had to come around and cover his own back. Reyes on the other hand kept on making comments that just seemed to be coming out of a robot, there was no reality in those his statements.
Lets hope to get all this transfers over as soon as possible before the end of this week.
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When does the transfer market end?
This may be the time to swoop on Ribery, if there is still time and if that is who we think could best fill Reyes' shoes.
Lehmann has also announced he will be leaving at the end of the season.
I have a hard time believing most things I read in the "tabloids" though I tend to trust the BBC and I do not know whether the Independent is considered a tabloid.
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Re:Why Real Madrid will flop miserably this year..
« Reply #231 on: August 19, 2006, 11:39:44 AM »
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I will be the first one to acknowledge the glorious culture, history and achievements of Real Madrid in the European Soccer.. Just i wanted to clear a couple of points and iam sure most of u will agree with me if u carefully manipulate on my points..Yea, agreed that Real Madrid r one of the giants in the European soccer, but then for the last few years, they have achieved very less in Europe and also in their own Liga..Well, if u gleam through the history of Real Madrid, all their major successes have come during the Franco regime which coincided with the presence of many luminiaries in their teams with Destefano and Puskas heading the list..They did maintain that record for quite some time but then, it seems they have fallen flat in the last 4 years..The reasons for this is definately not the lack of talent in the team but i think it is rather because Real Madrid has become rather market oriented now a days..Ironically, after they won the Champions in 2002-2003( remember they had won the previous edition too), they shockingly dropped the author of their success Vicente Del Bosque and their rock, yea the skipper who selflessly served them for 12 years, Fernando Heirro..
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it was shocking to be polite and in the same season, they brought in David Beckham( obviously for marketing reasons and after all it is a well known fact that the incumbent has a great fanfollowing in the crowded asian countries more for his marketing strategies..) Also, they got players like Graveson who would never fit in the scheme of things and in the way Real has always been known to play their soccer..The result was all there to see..Well, they have not seemed to learn from their mistakes and it was a shock to see them sign players like Emerson (no disrespect to him, but then he is similar to Graveson in his style) and Cannavaro( 33)who is probably at the prime of his career.. They surely lack the players of the calibre of Redondo( a wonderfully gifted midfielder who could run circles aroung opposite players)or Kaka or maybe Ronaldino..These players r the playmakers who can alter the match with a single moment of magic and yea, another big mistake was to let go Makelele who was a magnificient defensive midfielder..And with the retirement of Zidane, the place he has vacated is very tough to fill and with all main stars hovering around or above 30( Ronaldo, Rudd, beckham,Emerson, Canna,Guti,Helguera, Raul...), i dont see them giving Barca a run for their money in the domestic league or in the CL , i dont see them advancing further than quarters against the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool, ACMILAN, Lyon, PSV,Arsenal, Bayern..
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It will be tough for Real this year. Addition of Cannavaro was crucial, but I think that key to possible success is Capello. He is a proven coach who has been succesfull wherever he went.
I still do not think that Real have the necessary depth, team spirit and mental strength to beat Barca in the long run of championship games.
Real need a true leader as a captain and a warrior in the midfield. Raul was a genius, probably the best Spaniard to have ever played. But he has disappeared recently, and I think it is mainly because Real have lost their game and concentrated on getting stars rather than building an United team.
I agree with the Anti-Real and I think that it all started when Makelele left. His importance is clearly demonstrated at Chelsea even at the age of 34!!! Real's defense is probably worse than that of Villareal or Osasuna. Roberto Carlos is a good player, but bad at defending. He needs to have two reliable centre backs to cover him. Michel Salgado is getting old, Helguera and Pavon should play in Segunda Division, and Sergio Ramos is not a CD.
And most impotrantly, ZIZOU is impossible to replace. My guess is Real will be in the top three at the end of the season and make it to the 1/4 of CL. But no more
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You guys have obviously not been following Real Madrid for the last 5-6 years.
Real's problems began with the lost of Vicente Del Bosque. Even though Flortenino Perez had Marketing ambitions for the team, Vicente always focused on having a solid well balanced team.
When Perez got rid of Vicente, things began going astray. Florentino's focus was bringing money to the club and ensuring that the club was on sound financial footing. This came at the expense of a solid well balance team.
Florentino bought big named players which brought financial gains. Cheers for him for accomplishing that, but the team suffered for it (No titles in last 3 seasons)
But guys do i need to wake you all up ?!?!
Florentino Perez is no longer the President of Real Madrid. Ramon Calderon is now the President of the club, and he does not need to focus of buiding a financial empire because Perez aready did that job. As he said, he wants the team to win titles now and has entrusted Capello to get that done.
Haven't you guys noticed a change in Real's buying polices this year. Unlike previous years, the first buys the club made were for a good coach, a great defender and a reliable defensive midfielder. All this before they bought a striker in Ruud. Rumour has it that Real are trying to buy Lyon's defensive midfielder Diarra as well.
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Real Madrid is a joke now a days with all overaged, over the hill players..
they will fail miserably this year which will lead the whole team being dismantled..i say, Capello will not even last a year in this pathetic money oriented club..Capello is smart and he will make his money and get off from this dirty floppingteam..
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This is not the same Real Madrid of the past 3 years. There is a new President in town with different ambitions. A new and proven coach who is bent on building a solid, well balanced team.
And about Real not having any depth. Can you pick 4 defenders from this list: Cicinho, Salgado, Woodgate, Helgera, Ramos, Cannavaro, R. Carlos, R Bravo. Or pick 2/3 strikers from this list: Robinho, Cassano, RVN, Ronaldo, Baptista, Raul
So if you all want to do the stupid thing and not wake up and realize that this is a new look Real (not the Real of the last 3 years), it will only be to your own detriment.
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